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Last week’s post sparked a lot of comments and questions. I wrote on the dangers of trying to be positive when you are feeling negative and I suggested that instead of pretending to be positive you just dissolve your negative occurrings and feelings.
Because there has been so much interest in this topic, I decided to devote this week’s post to responding to some of the questions from last week. My comments below go much deeper into the topic than my original post.
Marie wrote:
“Thank you for the post. Separating the meaning from the event is a very useful and clarifying thing to do. However, I have in my mind something for what I cannot use this method to dissolve the negative feeling. The event: a colleague, who is also a good friend, gave me feedback from a recent work project; he basically says that it should be redone (and his comments make sense). The meaning I associate with it: I am not able to do my job well enough. I am sad for that, and I am afraid that I will lose this job that I like very much. Would you have a comment on this?”
Here’s my response:
Virtually all negative feelings come from meaning and ALL meaning is made up in our mind. Telling you a job should be redone has no inherent meaning.
It could mean you are not able to do your job well enough. It could mean you do your job very well and this one assignment needs improvement. It could mean the colleague thinks it needs improvement and he is wrong. You could create many meanings—but what you were told has no inherent meaning. When you really get that idea, the meaning will dissolve along with the sadness. So will your fear that you will lose your job.
Kevin wrote:
“Sounds like what you are saying is to simply re-frame a negative meaning you ascribe to an event, into a positive meaning so as to experience positive feelings.
My question then, is how do you get around your negative beliefs about a situation, which have been formed from negative experiences from your past; which are now bringing up your negative feelings within this now-occurring situation?”
Here’s my response:
My four-step process for dissolving occurrings is not “simply re-framing a negative meaning into a positive meaning.” I suggest that you first dissolve the negative meaning. When you do that the feelings that accompanied the meaning also will dissolve. Also, in most cases you do not need to create a positive meaning. You are better off looking at any event clearly, without a positive or negative filter.
Your beliefs are a major influence on the meaning you give events, but beliefs and occurrings are not the same thing. Your feelings are caused by your occurrings, not your beliefs. Moreover, it is possible to dissolve meaning without getting rid of the beliefs that caused it.
Frances Cranton wrote:
“Morty thanks for post. I have found our old programming and beliefs define how we feel about an event. I really try to get to the route of why I feel a certain way and what is within me causing the true upset.”
Here’s my response:
You don’t have to try to figure out why you feel the way you do. You feel a certain way because of the meaning you have given an event. That is what’s causing your upset.
Follow the four-step process from last week’s post and the meaning will dissolve, along with the upset.
Gary wrote:
“These are good suggestions. But emotions are like an elephant and the conscious mind is like its rider. The conscious mind may be convinced of the logic of a teaching it hears and want to implement it, but the elephant, or subconscious mind, where emotions reside, has been deeply conditioned to react to stimuli in certain ways and is not easily persuaded to change using logic alone. That ‘self’ underneath has its own view of reality and won’t give it up easily. However, I will give this a try and be in touch. Thanks.”
Here’s my response:
I understand your point of view, but hundreds of people (including me) have tried this process and discovered that if you apply the four steps the meaning dissolves easily, along with any feelings caused by the meaning. It is not our experience that the “self underneath has its own view of reality and won’t give it up easily.”
The process I suggest is not using logic to convince the conscious mind of anything; it is just recognizing that something you thought was inherent in the event is, instead, meaning you added to the event.
Take a look at this short video for more details of how the mind unconsciously and automatically creates meaning and how the Lefkoe Occurring Process dissolves it: http://occurringcourse.com/how-lop-works/
Suzanne Kiraly wrote:
“I think for smaller things it may work to be positive to turn things around. You might ask yourself, how much will this really matter in a week, month or year? And you might be able to easily turn your emotion around. But when you are hit with major bad news like a loved one dying or having a serious health problem, you can’t just put on a happy face and pretend that everything is okay. It takes time to digest the problem and to heal. … The more meaning you give to something the bigger the problem related to it can seem and the harder it can be to dissolve the meaning.”
Here’s my reply:
I’m not talking about trying to put a positive feeling on top of a negative feeling or “pretending that everything is okay.” I agree; that won’t work. In fact, that was the main point of my post last week.
My experience and the experience of hundreds of others is that there is no such thing as “more meaning” versus less meaning. Moreover, it doesn’t have to take “time to digest the problem and heal.”
That may be true of techniques you have used in the past. This process, however, can be used as soon as you recognize that you have ascribed meaning to an event. I contend that it is possible to dissolve any meaning, regardless of the event. People have told me that they have used this process when informed about serious illness and it worked for them.
Sharon wrote:
“I am confused about the meaning I give something. Suppose the meaning is: people are not doing their jobs and this is correct, and it makes me angry how do I change the meaning? I understand if the meaning is my negative meaning, but what if my meaning is correct and not only my negativity. Can you help me understand that? It is a large problem for me.”
Here’s my reply:
If people are not doing what they are supposed to do, that is not meaning; it is an event in reality. And there are consequences to many events. But the event has no meaning, in other words, you don’t know anything about anything for sure merely from the fact that an event happened. The fact they aren’t doing their jobs will not produce any feelings. The feelings (in your case, anger) come from the meaning you attribute to the event. What meaning are you giving the event?
Angie wrote:
“What if the ‘event’ ended in someone you love no longer speaking to you because they’re blaming you for something that occurred? Even if you give the event no meaning, they’re still not speaking to you. How do you not give that meaning?”
Here’s my reply:
You can—and most people do—give meaning to many events all day long. I don’t contest that. What I suggest is that all those meanings can be easily dissolved.
Moreover, what do I know for sure about you, the person no longer speaking to you, relationships, the rest of your life, etc. from the fact that someone you love is no longer speaking to you? I don’t know anything for sure. That’s what I mean by events have no inherent meaning.
Rodrigues wrote:
“I have a friend who is passing thru a very difficult time in her life. Broken relationship, financial problems, weak health… We are very intimate, so she feels free to tell me how she feels. But among other people she is motivated to pretend that every thing is going to be all right, its just a matter of time… in fact we both know that that is not true. Once, a person met her at a coffee break and asked her for a smile… she couldn’t do it, of course!!! Indeed, positive thoughts do not solve the real problem… only covers it.”
Here’s my reply:
I’m not talking about creating positive thoughts to cover negative thoughts. I agree that doesn’t work. I’m saying that you can interpret events as disasters or opportunities—in other words, they have no inherent meaning. When you make a clear distinction between an event and the meaning you attribute to it, the meaning will dissolve. There is no need to pretend everything is okay or try to cover up negative feelings.
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With reference to Sharon quetion & your reply I want to know-How can I know what meaning I am giving to an event?
Hi Rita,
When we give meaning to an event, it seems as if that meaning is a part of the event.
For example, if we get fired, it seems as if it IS a disaster. It’s obvious that getting fired is a disaster. For us, that isn’t meaning, it’s a fact. — That’s what meaning feels like.
Actually you can see events in the world, you can’t see meaning. You can see getting fired; you can’t see it is a disaster.
The event is in the world; the meaning exists only in your mind.
Love, Morty
and many many Thanks to all of you – Lauren, Dave, Bianca, Johnny. ( and of course thank you so much Morty for taking the time to post such useful ideas).
first of all – thanks so much to all of you, and of course you Morty, for the kind suggestions. I am going to start on the idea of the 50 benefits of this change in my life and the 50 negatives if we would have continued together.
I am curious about the comment that Dave wrote – that really struck a cord with me – so I think that may be a very strong meaning to me. I find it is still very hard to peel the layers of this – it seems that there are the upper meanings about realizing you want this person for your life partner and being rejected ( all the painful feelings I mentioned – and the meanings I attached to this – that I am now 7 years older – less attractive- so less likely to find a great life partner, it will be very hard to begin dating, let alone find someone to marry- all the men who might of been interested in the last 7 years have so many other choices that I would not be their choice now anyway…and of course the pain of seeing him texting and leaving to go off with his new ( younger) girlfriend …etc) But under it is the other layer of more painful meanings – as Dave touched on. Yikes – that certainly seems to be true. So – is it that one has to clear all the upper meanings first – or is it more effective to go directly to the deeper meaning ( I am only good enough if a man wants to marry me) …??? Just writing about this I get a knot in my stomach and begin to tear up – my feelings of sadness and regret are very strong – so I really really appreciate the kind suggestions. blessings
Thank you Morty, I have a lot of questions
1. Does this process become automatic eventually? If so, have you found writing out the meanings and events more beneficial? Necessary?
2. I think you mentioned in previous posts that beliefs create occurrings. If this is the case, is it necessary to eliminate the belief or will the occurring process increasing overtime be enough to change behavior? Or are these processes separate? For example if I have negative beliefs about money but have eliminated the feelings created by the occurrings I have about money, will I change how earn, spend money?
3. Does this process compliment the processes you outlined in the “Eating Report” If so, how? Can emotional eating be eliminated by the occurring process alone?
4. Has this process helped reduce addictive behaviors (drinking, smoking, etc.)?
Thanks!
Hi Michael,
1. Yes, if you dissolve meaning every hour every day for 10 weeks, it becomes pretty automatic. Writing is not necessary but it helps, especially as you are learning to do it.
2. Dissolving occurrings will not eliminate beliefs. Beliefs and occurrings are different phenomena and you need different processes to eliminate each of them.
3. Emotional eating is caused mainly by conditioning and the Lefkoe Occurring process will not help with that.
4. We haven’t tried the Occurring process with addictions and I doubt it will help. The Lefkoe De-conditioning Process, used for emotional eating, should help with other physical addictions.
Love, Morty
and yes, like in life, sometimes outside forces (somebody who knocks over a cup of coffee on your drawing, a fissure in the rock) will muck up your creation. Sucks, true. But there is always new material, until the day you die, and maybe even after that.
Hi Nina,
The reason you feel so bad is because your brain has a major imprint that what has happened is more bad than good, more pain than pleasure, rejection, and now somehow the future only looks grim. I know that just saying that the vent which happened to you has no inherent meaning is difficult for you, like you can’t think like that right now. You have too much emotions produced already and to say the event is neutral would seem to I justify your emotions!
Try this, think of 50 genuine drawbacks if you would of stayed with your ex. Truly find 50 that resonate with you. Knit pick in every area of life. Then find 50 genuine benefits that you will now have because of this break up. Doing this uses your cortical brain to calm the limbic brain (emotional part) and I guarantee that if you sit down and do this with an open heart you will neutralize the emotional event and be grateful for it.
Johnny,
Wow, thank you for this post. I am going through a similar situation and your suggestion of writing 50 drawbacks and 50 benefits is something I would have never thought about. I’m going to do that. Very helpful, thank you
thanks for the many follow-ups, Morty! Please help me with this – as I seem to keep going around in a circle and as much as I try and SAY there is no meaning to the event – all the comes to mind are the same meanings. I was with my man for over 7 years and we broke up because I would never commit. I realized months later that I did really want us to be together – and wrote him – but he was out of the country for a few weeks. When he returned I told him my feelings and that I loved him and wanted to spend the rest of my life with him and be married. He informed me that he was with someone else. We work together, and are on location together ( where his new woman lives). I am grieving this loss and the idea of starting and looking for a life partner – now that I am 7 years older. I feel so heartbroken, foolish, OLD , jealous frightened and angry even. I went through the process, but it seems that I can’t come up with any OTHER meanings – any other outcomes for this “event”but that I “blew it”, I will never find anyone else, I am too old to find someone who will be half as good of a partner for life, if I do – they will not want to marry me…etc.etc. So I don’t know HOW to take the feelings of loss, regret, fear, and loneliness OUT of this event, so I can move on and find a new love, and allow my ex to enjoy his new life without my feeling completely miserable to be around him, since we do work project work together. Please please help.
Pardon me for butting in here, but try this meaning on for size:
“What makes me good enough is having a man want to marry me.”
Dave
Nina,
Your feelings come from the meaning you placed on the events. Some alternate meanings: just because I think I’m too old doesn’t mean it’s true. There are a world full of men out there who could be as good as the man I was with. Just because this one relationship ended, doesn’t mean I can’t find someone else to care for and cares for me. Yes, I’m feeling miserable around him because I’m reminded of our past relationship, but that doesn’t mean I’ll always feel miserable. Yes, I may have “blown” that relationship, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to blow the next relationship. Hope this helps,
Love and LIght on your Journey,
Lauren
Hi Nina,
You say: So I don’t know HOW to take the feelings of loss, regret, fear, and loneliness OUT of this event,
You can’t get rid of the feelings directly. They are the result of the meaning you are giving the event. What meaning are you giving the fact that he has a new girl friend and he is no longer your boyfriend?
That meaning is causing the upset. When you identify that meaning (see the suggestions from others) and see that it is meaning, not real, not in the world, not The Truth, the meaning will dissolve along with the feelings it causes.
Love, Morty
Dear Morty,
Thanks for clarifying again (I have never heard you say otherwise) that your method is not about “turning negative feelings into positive ones” or “pretending a bad thing is in fact a blessing” as so many people think. We should just try to take events the way they are, at that moment, deal with them the best way we we know how, at that moment, and await with interest what ever comes next. For instance, a friend of mine just lost her job, which she thought was a disaster, and quickly found a new one, which she thinks is good luck and proof that something positive will always come along. Hogwash! Losing the job was just an event to be dealt with (which she fortunately did) you can’t know if it is a disaster or the best thing that could happen as you can not see into the future. But the same goes for the new job. This could also be a disaster or the best thing that ever happened to you, you don’t know. It is just a new, unformed thing, like a piece of rock to a sculptor, a blank page to a writer or a painter. Which gives you the freedom to create from it whatever you want and need and imagine, as best as you can, using all the creativity God gave you. Maybe you have to be an artist not to be afraid of things that have no meaning and just enjoy seeing what comes out through your actions, sometimes a masterpiece, sometimes something you toss, always worth the trouble as a step towards getting better :)
Joy,
B.